I first met my friend Geli Mata (Cordero) back in January 2017. Thanks to the power of various recording technologies and Twitter/Facebook, we’ve remained friends, and even battled about a couple of topics online. All in the name of love, though! She’s a “woke” person who once worked for Apple and in other creative capacities, and now she’s studying World War II history, so this conversation is a mix of women’s issues, salary stuff, empathy, Apple, management, jargon, conversations, academia, and whether or not World War III might eventually come down the pike.
You can also just straight listen here: